Stefan Stenudd
Stefan Stenudd
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I'm a Swedish writer of fiction and non-fiction books in both Swedish and English. I'm also an artist, a historian of ideas and an aikido instructor.






Pherecydes of Syros















Prodicus of Ceos





Diagoras of Melos





Table of the Greek Philosophers


The book


Aristotle - life and work

Aristotle's Poetics

Aristotle's Cosmology

Life Energy Encyclopedia, by Stefan Stenudd.

Life Energy Encyclopedia
by Stefan Stenudd. Qi, prana, spirit, and other life forces around the world explained and compared. Click the image to see the book at Amazon.

Tao Te Ching - The Taoism of Lao Tzu Explained, by Stefan Stenudd.
Tao Te Ching
The Taoism of Lao Tzu Explained. The great Chinese classic, translated and extensively commented by Stefan Stenudd. Click the image to see the book at Amazon.

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Cosmos of the Ancients

Comsos of the Ancients

The Greek Philosophers on Myth and Cosmology


T o Pythagoras (circa 582-500 BC) it seems the gods were both factual and worthy of reverence, if the later commentators are to be trusted. Of his own words nothing remains. According to Hieronymus, Pythagoras had descended into Hades, where:

     he saw the soul of Hesiod bound fast to a brazen pillar and gibbering, and the soul of Homer hung on a tree with serpents writhing about it, this being their punishment for what they had said about the gods.

     Pythagoras' teaching was strict, full of rules to live by, some peculiar and some expressions of piety. He was secretive of his learning and demanded much of those who wanted to be his disciples, among other things a long waiting before being accepted. Not only did Pythagoras avoid meat, but for several reasons he refused beans, to the extent that he was reported to have died because of it - when fleeing from his enemies he stopped before a field of beans, not wanting to cross it, whereby they caught and killed him.


     Diogenes Laertius claims that "his disciples held the opinion about him that he was Apollo come down from the far north" and Pythagoras himself had no less a view on his person - according to Heraclides of Pontus he said about himself that he was the son of Hermes, who had offered him any gift except immortality. "So he asked to retain through life and through death a memory of his experiences." Thus, his soul wandered from person to person, all of them noble men, keeping its memory through each new life lived. To Pythagoras, this was nothing ordinary, since: "He was the first, they say, to declare that the soul, bound now in this creature, now in that, thus goes on a round ordained of necessity." This is, in essence, identical with the metempsychosis of Pherecydes, who would then most likely be primary to Pythagoras in expressing the theory.

     This wandering of the soul was not exclusive to man, nor was the soul itself. Pythagoras avoided meat and "forbade even the killing, let alone the eating, of animals which share with us the privilege of having a soul."

Pythagoras      From Alexander's book Successions of Philosophers, Diogenes Laertius receives the mathematical cosmology of Pythagoras:

     The principle of all things is the monad or unit; arising from this monad the undefined dyad or two serves as material substratum to the monad, which is cause; from the monad and the undefined dyad spring numbers; from numbers, points; from points, lines; from lines, plane figures; from plane figures, solid figures; from solid figures, sensible bodies, the elements of which are four, fire, water, earth and air; these elements interchange and turn into one another completely, and combine to produce a universe animate, intelligent, spherical, with the earth at its centre, the earth itself too being spherical and inhabited round about. There are also antipodes, and our 'down' is their 'up'.

     Such a strictly ordered universe has little room for gods and their adventurous ways of creating the world, as told by Hesiod. It seems therefore, though Pythagoras fondled mythological ingredients in his relation to himself and his calling, in his cosmology Pythagoras replaced them with principles of higher purity and precision, numbers and their relations rather than anthropomorphic creatures. The Pythagoreans, his followers, frequently used allegorical concepts for essential matters in their teachings, claiming this practice to stem directly from their founder Pythagoras, and if indeed their master did the same, mythology could to him have been nothing but a colorful way of expressing his meaning. Then the mathematical cosmogony of Pythagoras would rightly be categorized as an atheist one.

Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, translated by R. D. Hicks, volume II, Loeb, London 1950.
Freeman, Kathleen, The Pre-Socratic Philosophers, Oxford 1946.

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Cosmos of the Ancients, by Stefan Stenudd.

Cosmos of the Ancients - the Book

The material on this website about the Greek philosophers and what they thought about cosmology, myth, and the gods, is now a book. It can be ordered at the Internet bookstores - printed or as a Kindle ebook. Both contain the footnotes with additional explanations as well as literary sources. Click the image to see the book at Amazon.

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